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Rafał D.

Rafał D. Head of Production,
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Temat: Polish is an easy language:

@Steve
Theese are only numbers. Actually I think (I can't say I know because I won't find a motivation to check it ;) ) that what Keith says has a lot of sense. I'm sure that none of Poles analyzes all the possible endings, there are simply some patterns that you can follow and teaching methods should try to find this patterns. However I'm aware that this kind of knowledge comes on an advanced stage and is hard at the beginning (same as with tenses or conditionals or anything, no English native actually thinks about the rules we learn at the beginning).
But from observation, on television for exampe, it's really hard to find a person who doesn't mistake the endings, even if he or she is speaking Polish really fluently.
warren whitmore:

In a polish grammar book in my posession, I once attempted to work out how many Polish words could be translated by the English words, 'go, goes, gone and went'.

Over a thousand, I believe.

Could you explain this to me? I don't understand.

@Kasia
I also think that having problems with your mother tongue after a year is not really normal.Rafał D. edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.06.08 o godzinie 10:43
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Temat: Polish is an easy language:

Rafał D.:
warren whitmore:
In a polish grammar book in my posession, I once attempted to
work out how many Polish words could be translated by the English words, 'go, goes, gone and went'.

Over a thousand, I believe.
Could you explain this to me? I don't understand.
If you just try a słownik kieszonkowy ypu might see many different definitions related to verb "go" and different forms of it.
Like: iść, jechać, chodzić (regularnie) itd.
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Rafał D.:
warren whitmore:

In a polish grammar book in my posession, I once attempted to work out how many Polish words could be translated by the English words, 'go, goes, gone and went'.

Over a thousand, I believe.

Could you explain this to me? I don't understand.

There are many Polish words equivalent to 'go':

For example:

przyjechać
przyjść
iść
podjechać
zajechać

etc

Each of these decline:

idę
idziesz
idzie
idziemy
idziecie
idą

poszedlem/am

etc

Now if you were to take all the variants of 'go' in Polish, decline them in their perfective and non-perfective forms, for male female and neuter, I'm sure you could come up with over a thousand forms of words, that could be translated by a mere four English forms of 'go', namely, 'go, goes, gone and went'.
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Rafał D.

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Temat: Polish is an easy language:

I don't really agree with that (except the endings for genres and similar). Theese are simply equivalents (most of the times) of your combinations of "go" and tenses/prepositions/whatever. We simply "put every information" "into" a word, you have it splitted. Take German as even more extreme example (making nouns of nouns).

That's why I think we "have" all your tenses. It just doesn't influent a verb only but also other words in a sentence.

However I'm definitelly not a specialist in "languages theory" so I may be wrong...Rafał D. edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.06.08 o godzinie 10:54
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Warren, I guess the English for 'przyjechać' , 'przyjść' and 'podjechać' is 'to come' rather than 'to go', but one is not 100% sure.

When I was young, I found the verb "iść" exteremely difficult. For me, its future form for the second person singular was 'ty będziesz idła", instead of 'ty będziesz szła". :)
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Rafał D.:
We simply "put every information" "into" a word, you have it splitted.

Is learning, 'I, you, he, she, we, they' in any way difficult?
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Rafał D.

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Temat: Polish is an easy language:

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Polish is easy or as easy as English. I'm just saying it's not as hard as it first seems ;)

And I agree that English is easy :)
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Polish is difficult to learn by foreigners. Grammatical cases + extremely rich vocabulary with tons of homonyms & chszrzdż sounds. It could make lots of people sick instantly.

If your language is also Slavic, you shouldn't consider Polish so difficult though.

My girlfriend seems to find the prefixes very difficult:

wywalić
przywalić
rozwalić
dowalić
odwalić
uwalić
przewalić
zawalić
zwalić

często jeszcze nad i pod.Andrzej Dobrucki edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.06.08 o godzinie 11:18
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Rafał D.

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warren whitmore:
przyjechać
przyjść
iść
podjechać
zajechać


And one more thing to visualise it ;)

go about
go after
go against
go ahead
go along
go away
go back
go by
go down
go for
go in
go into
go off
go on
go out
go over
go round

and so on. This is EXACTLY the same. And we have exactly the same problems when learning this.
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Rafał D.:
warren whitmore:
przyjechać
przyjść
iść
podjechać
zajechać


And one more thing to visualise it ;)

go about
go after
go against
go ahead
go along
go away
go back
go by
go down
go for
go in
go into
go off
go on
go out
go over
go round

and so on. This is EXACTLY the same. And we have exactly the same problems when learning this.

Good point.

But there is little need to conjugate the verb in English as in Polish.
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Rafał D.:
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Polish is easy or as easy as English. I'm just saying it's not as hard as it first seems ;)

And I agree that English is easy :)


It depends what you mean by 'as it first seems'.

If you are British and know some French and Spanish and then you decide that you'll learn Polish (like I did 11 years ago), then it is soul destroying to then discover what Polish is like.

Once landing in the country I discovered that it wouldn't simply be a case of learning (straight forward and regular) verbs, adjectives and nouns and sticking them together. It wasn't possible due to the cases, and dual verbs for each action.

HOWEVER, after this immense shock and disappointment, with a bit of work I then saw that it was possible to make some progress. So, at this point you COULD say that it isn't as possible as it first seemed.
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In my opinion it makes no sense to suggest an English person can learn Polish just as easily as (say) French or German.

Just like it would be ridiculous to imagine a Polish person could pick up Japanese as easily as Russian.

Steve, iść do 'I speak Polish' i sprobowaj!warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.06.08 o godzinie 14:02
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Temat: Polish is an easy language:

Andrzej Dobrucki:
Polish is difficult to learn by foreigners. Grammatical cases + extremely rich vocabulary with tons of homonyms & chszrzdż sounds. It could make lots of people sick instantly.

If your language is also Slavic, you shouldn't consider Polish so difficult though.

My girlfriend seems to find the prefixes very difficult:

wywalić
przywalić
rozwalić
dowalić
odwalić
uwalić
przewalić
zawalić
zwalić

często jeszcze nad i pod.Andrzej Dobrucki edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.06.08 o godzinie 11:18

And some people claim Phrasal Verbs don't exist in Polish!!!
Thanks, Andrzej for pointing out this fallacy:)
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Rafał D.

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Temat: Polish is an easy language:

Theese are definitely not our equivalents of phrasal verbs ;) (Please see my previous post and say I'm wrong ;) ).

Steven: That's what I generally mean :) English and Spanish are examples of the simpliest languages I guess (except the fact they are from the same language group). So for their natives every other might seem hard. But they are not hard, they are simply normal ;)
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Temat: Polish is an easy language:

>Learning
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Polish is apparently easy.


What I like about Jamie's posts on Wordpress is the meaty discussion :)Lidia K. edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.06.08 o godzinie 14:52
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Temat: Polish is an easy language:

Rafał D.:
I don't really agree with that (except the endings for genres and similar). Theese are simply equivalents (most of the times) of your combinations of "go" and tenses/prepositions/whatever. We simply "put every information" "into" a word, you have it splitted.
Er, it is not true.
In Polish, it is very important which verb to choose when you want to say: "Will you go to your mum?" (By car? By foot? By plane? By whetever).
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Rafał D.:
Theese are definitely not our equivalents of phrasal verbs ;) (Please see my previous post and say I'm wrong ;) ).

Steven: That's what I generally mean :) English and Spanish are examples of the simpliest languages I guess (except the fact they are from the same language group). So for their natives every other might seem hard. But they are not hard, they are simply normal ;)

They are not from the same language group.

English is an Indo-European, West Germanic language while Spanish belongs to the Romance / Romanic stem.
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warren whitmore:
In my opinion it makes no sense to suggest an English person can learn Polish just as easily as (say) French or German.

Just like it would be ridiculous to imagine a Polish person could pick up Japanese as easily as Russian.

Steve, iść do 'I speak Polish' i sprobowaj!warren whitmore edytował(a) ten post dnia 10.06.08 o godzinie 14:02

What I was trying to answer was the point that 'it is easier than you think at first'. If you have never looked at the language at all then you you'd assume that you just have to learn the words and stick them together.
You then are shocked to discover you can't

In this respect I disagree with the idea that 'it is easier than you first think'. At the very beginning you think that it is just a question of devoting time to it. However, you then realise that there is a lot more than simply learning vocab.
So, in fact it is more difficult that you think at first.
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for some reason considered to be lingua franca of modern world.

The reason why it is considered to be the lingua franca is because it IS the lingua franca, i.e. common language through which native speakers of other languages can communicate with eachother.
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