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Parents face possible court action for withdrawing their children from lessons on gay and lesbian history.
More than 30 pupils were pulled out of a week of teaching at a primary school which included books about homosexual partnerships.
The controversial content was worked into the curriculum at George Tomlinson School in Waltham Forest.

One story covered in a lesson was King and King, a fairytale about a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in love with one of their brothers.

Another book, And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins, Roy and Silo, who fall in love at a New York zoo.

Parents face court action for removing children from gay history lessons | Mail Online
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Well,

there are kids which just don't like it the old-fashioned way:


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And shouldn't parents protect their little buggers?Bernd Schreckenberg edytował(a) ten post dnia 07.03.09 o godzinie 17:46
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[I]Parents face possible court action for withdrawing their children from lessons on gay and lesbian history.
I'm smiling at the absurd references, e.g., King and King, Silo et al. but gotta say it. Case dismissed. I am ruling in favor of any parent in this particular matter. No State's educational statutes should supercede the rights of the parent(s) choice of refusing some subject matter, even if it's about the world being round. Fuck 'em.

Prediction: Case dismissed.
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Some guys think only about breasts bleeeee
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Urszula Kwiatkowska:
Some guys think only about breasts bleeeee
Worried that it's not your breasts, eh?
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As part of their policy about tolerance, children are taught about people having equal value, they say here. News: almost all children are taught that or not before they get to school by what they see from the people they identify with. Thanks anyway.

Any good teacher would just drop it like a hot potato. This is just political types trying to get into a heroic pissing match in public. ...However many words they can say.

No politician or school administrator ever better try to grow a dick against me where my kid is concerned in a questionable case of judgement, and that wil be established right up front. this guy sent a letter. pfft.Joj Y. edytował(a) ten post dnia 07.03.09 o godzinie 19:28
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Joj Y.:
just political types trying to get into a heroic pissing match in public. ...However many words they can say.

part of the reason I gave up on the UK and left! The whole society is just about 'oneupmanship', trying to score a point over your neighbour of politcal foe or even close family member. The social fabric and gone beyond frayed, it's totally decayed.

With ideas like compulsory lessons on 'Britishness' and 'family values' in schools and a multitude of other such politically motivated additional topics, it seems like we forgot that school is for formal education, the basics, the so called 3Rs and that family should teach the morals and family values, if only such things existed in Britain now.

More like America every day... I see even the drive-by shootings have started (yesterday in Bedfordshire)

I ask a question... Joj mentioned 'children are taught about people having equal value', can we really 'teach' tollerence? Isn't it something that is developed through example. Isn't that like trying to learn to pilot an aircraft by reading about birds (hehe and the bees)?

there's my tuppence

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Homosexuality is obviously not 'the norm' yet. Only a fool may claim that it is. And I am sorry if somebody feels offended by my comment. It is beyond my comprehension how the hell a minority can force such concepts as homosexuality being the 'natural thing' on the majority. I don't know much about government gay policy in Britain because it makes me sick.
And I don't feel the need to explain myself that I am not a homophobe. But if any woman ever tries to be close with me, I might become one.
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It is according to my humble opinion a part of broader picture of what is going on worldwide. Numbing our conscience and desensitising our natural sensitivity presenting things which are distorted, perverted, cruel callous as "normal", "natural" and "healthy".

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1226386/posts

24.Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."
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Dariusz T.:
It is according to my humble opinion a part of broader picture of what is going on worldwide. Numbing our conscience and desensitising our natural sensitivity presenting things which are distorted, perverted, cruel callous as "normal", "natural" and "healthy".

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1226386/posts

24.Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Why do you think homosexuality is "distorted, perverted, cruel callous"? Maybe opinionsd like that are why we march through the streets once a year to assert our rights and celebrate our lifestyles.

Homosexuality is natural. It has occurred from the beginning of humanity and isn't going to go away.

I thought Joj's comment was sensible. But. Parents indeed have a right to decide what their children are taught. What they don't have any rights at all over is the (future) sexuality of their sons and daughters. This happens regardless of the home/school environment. The big question is, that if their offspring should be gay, would they want them to be a happy well adjusted person or a screwed up individual?

And Agnieszka, you talk about homosexuals "forc(ing) such concepts as homosexuality being the 'natural thing' on the majority". Remember we are part of the majority too, and out of interest, who is forcing anything and what exactly do you think is being forced?


25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

Promiscuity seems fairly 'natural' to me. Not my lifestyle but nothing new either. But why do you lump homosexuality together with degeneracy and promiscuity. One is a facet of human sexuality, the others are judgemental descriptions of people's behaviour.

Dariusz. Since you obviously have very strong opinions on the subject, I wonder if "the lady doth protest too much" and homosexuality enters your thoughts quite frequently....
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Jon M.:
Homosexuality is natural. It has occurred from the beginning of humanity and isn't going to go away.
I agree 100% and I have the simple idea that this is by definition natural since it occurs in nature. Beyond that, well, I don't have the manuals. :)
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Why do you think homosexuality is "distorted, perverted, cruel callous"? Maybe opinionsd like that are why we march through the streets once a year to assert our rights and celebrate our lifestyles.

I don't. I meant something more than promoting homosexuality.
What I wanted to draw others attention to was that we are beginning more and more "tolerant" and things shockingly bizarre 30 years ago are daily occurrences nowadays. What you wrote is something I haven't wrote the link you provided exist in your mind.

Obviously you haven't read the link I provided.

Homosexuality is natural. It has occurred from the beginning of humanity and isn't going to go away.

It existed as well as several other things. Long-term existence is not proof of normality.

Dariusz. Since you obviously have very strong opinions on the subject, I wonder if "the lady doth protest too much" and homosexuality enters your thoughts quite frequently....

Yeah, definitely. You know my thoughts better than mine, do you?
Lucky you, I do not know yours...
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Jon, I am not politically competent to argue with you on that matter. I do indeed lack the knowledge. What I wrote are my personal impressions and I am not here to argue any thesis. Perhaps even my choice of vocabulary is too emotional. "Forcing" may be understood quite variously. I can understand your need to clarify some issues for me. You think I am wrong. Well, You just have to let me be with that.
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I saw the link and found it in questionable taste. I wonder what planet people are on, who have such a view of the world.

But back to the topic. Surely you don't think society should be less tolerant?

As far as being 'tolerant' towards homosexuality is concerned - most homosexuals do dot care one whit whether they are tolerated or not. They simply want to be able to get on with their lives without legal, cultural and financial obstacles.

The word "tolerancja" is used a lot in Poland when talking about cultural diversity. This is a step in the right direcytion but very insufficient. I 'tolerate' Osama Bin Laden. It does not mean I like him, respect him or think he should be at liberty to kill people.

It isn't about tolerance - it's about respect for those whose lives are different from our own and accepting that society has many facets.

Though, Dariusz and Agnieszka, I welcome your views on the matter and respect them much more than the views of those who 'tolerate' something, but would rather see it not exist.Jon M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 09.03.09 o godzinie 15:48
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Jon, I do understand what tolerance and respect mean... But understanding cannot not change some of my personal views. I never hurt anybody with a lack of tolerance. Here, it's just expressing my feelings. I'm not against You. But I would be extremely against my son having a compulsory reading of King and Kong tale or others.

And Jon - perhaps you should smile a bit in your picture.Agnieszka Rapacz-Bubeła edytował(a) ten post dnia 09.03.09 o godzinie 15:59
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Agnieszka Rapacz-Bubeła:
Jon, I do understand what tolerance means... But understanding cannot not change some of my personal views. I never hurt anybody with a lack of tolerance. Here, it's just expressing my feelings. I'm not against You. But I would be extremely against my son having a compulsory reading of King and Kong tale or others.

And Jon - perhaps you should smile a bit in your picture.

I rather agree with you about parental choice.

The picture thing is because I'm very un-photogenic and smiling pictures don't work well. Plus I have very few good photos. I'll try and find a nicer one though.

;-)
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Jon M.:
Though, Dariusz and Agnieszka, I welcome your views on the
matter and respect them much more than the views of those who
'tolerate' something, but would rather see it not exist.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart (as long as I am concerned).
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Jon M.:
The picture thing is because I'm very un-photogenic and smiling pictures don't work well. Plus I have very few good photos. I'll try and find a nicer one though.

;-)


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I think, showing the kids that there can be "other types of love affairs" can not help the kids who haven't completed their psychosexual development period to have a better understanding of (or respect to) same sex relationships.
According to my experience, there is enough confusion in a child's brain. Telling the love stories between 2 male pinguins is a pointless attempt to make the future nation more tolerant. That's my humble opinion anyway.
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"King and King" is a cheap copy of the REAL deal.

http://www.goldenline.pl/forum/anglosphere/594008/s/8
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