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OK, I'm gonna vent here.

I'm a "native speaker" and I have to say that I tend to think that the vast majority of them suck.

They are generally flakes who have some deep emotional personal issues and feel that running away from them will solve all their problems! Hence, they change countries every few years (if they even stay a full year). They think the Illuminate is following them, or that Bush is being manipulated by UFOs, or just have a serious drug problem.

I used to try to recruit them to come to Poland, now I really don't want anything to do with them!

AAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!

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So tell us what's happened, Andre.

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I feel for you, man. Remember the Disastrous Scott? :D
Jon M.

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Andre Chmielewski:
OK, I'm gonna vent here.

I'm a "native speaker" and I have to say that I tend to think that the vast majority of them suck.

They are generally flakes who have some deep emotional personal issues and feel that running away from them will solve all their problems! Hence, they change countries every few years (if they even stay a full year). They think the Illuminate is following them, or that Bush is being manipulated by UFOs, or just have a serious drug problem.

I used to try to recruit them to come to Poland, now I really don't want anything to do with them!


YES! YES! YES!

Read Dave's ESL Cafe, or 'polandforum.com' or whatever it's called. Plenty of them there with issues about Rothschild/UFO/Jewish/Soviet/Halliburton/New World Whatever conspiracies. Or go to 'Someplace Else' at The Sheraton (providing it's just after payday), or at a pinch 'Bar Below' to hear it all live.

They give professional language teachers a bad name. Which is serious, since most language schools are owned by Polish businesspeople who eat such 'teachers' for breakfast. But on the other hand, if somebody actually CAN teach and manage a lesson at the same time (two different skills), it comes as such a surprise to the clients that real teachers can have a good time here. When I recruit, I try to find people who are: a) here anyway, b) not a nutcase, c) aren't dying of hunger, and d) don't scare students. I'd say where my best source is, only other people would start mailing them.

But until I figured out how to do it, I'd hired so many fuckwits who argued with students (# rule number one, Pani Direktor is never wrong), or got lost on the way to lessons (I showed the guy where - it was opposite our office, not ten miles away), or just lost the plot (the students don't want lessons based on polemic texts the teacher has written on the philosophical aspects of the justice system). Nor do paying clients want teachers who never bathe, cut themselves and tell people about it, preach politics/religion, or don't know the difference between a non-defining relative clause and the schwa.Jon M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 25.06.08 o godzinie 20:09

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Damn dude, that sounds serious... let it out, we are like a family here... well.. sort of, a bit dysfunctional family with a lot of internal issues and ... well you get the point haha.. let it all hang out!

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Jon M.:

Read Dave's ESL Cafe, or 'polandforum.com' or whatever it's called.

haha.. one time I actually read through majority of threads on that forum, it read like a comedy skit, high entertaining values. It sure is a great place confuse the shit out of anyone trying to come to Poland looking for a teaching position.

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YES! YES! YES!
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But until I figured out how to do it, I'd hired so many fuckwits who argued with students (# rule number one, Pani Direktor is never wrong), or got lost on the way to lessons (I showed the guy where - it was opposite our office, not ten miles away), or just lost the plot (the students don't want lessons based on polemic texts the teacher has written on the philosophical aspects of the justice system). Nor do paying clients want teachers who never bathe, cut themselves and tell people about it, preach politics/religion, or don't know the difference between a non-defining relative clause and the schwa.Jon M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 25.06.08 o godzinie 20:09

Wow, looks like I'm not alone! Misery enjoys company! :-)

I have learned the art of identifying nut cases. It's not as easy as it sounds because these nuts have evolved in the art of making a good first impression. It's like they've learned to ape good teachers, especially when being interviewed. After that, the facade begins to crumble.

I've begin to spot the crazies though. If anyone needs help, let me know because I can give you some pointers. ;-)

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Andre, please start a thread on that!

Ten Steps to Quick Identification of a Nut Teacher
Keith Byrne

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Andre Chmielewski:
I have learned the art of identifying nut cases.

You haven't you know.

Ask Tatiana :-)

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Andre Chmielewski:

I've begin to spot the crazies though. If anyone
needs help, let me know because I can give you some pointers. ;-)

Why don't you share it with us here, I'm sure more than just school owners could benfit in spotting crazies.

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Lidia K.:
Andre, please start a thread on that!

Ten Steps to Quick Identification of a Nut Teacher

TM

See here.warren W. edytował(a) ten post dnia 26.06.08 o godzinie 01:29

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I could tell stories about native speaker teachers that would make everyone's hair stand on end, as I've been in this game for years.

Anyway, personally I've never had a problem.

That's because I've never hired anyone who either knows nothing about English teaching or who is obviously weird.

If you are a recruiter you are being paid to sort the wheat from the chaff.

And if you are unable to do this successfully, you and no-one else is to blame.

So if a client phones you to say that the teacher you sent him smells/ is illiterate/ self-mutilates or whatever, this is your fault.
Jon M.

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warren W.:
I could tell stories about native speaker teachers that would make everyone's hair stand on end, as I've been in this game for years.

Anyway, personally I've never had a problem.

That's because I've never hired anyone who either knows nothing about English teaching or who is obviously weird.

If you are a recruiter you are being paid to sort the wheat from the chaff.

And if you are unable to do this successfully, you and no-one else is to blame.

So if a client phones you to say that the teacher you sent him smells/ is illiterate/ self-mutilates or whatever, this is your fault.

If only that were true!

There are some who seem so convincing and presentable (and have excellent references) and there are sometimes great rushes of new lessons, all at peak times, when every decent teacher in town is busy.

Also ones who are doing lessons for other schools and somehow getting away with it, but just end up upsetting people elsewhere.

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Obviously not all clients are going to be 100% satisfied with everyone you send them.

But spotting the walking disasters is not really all that difficult.

Btw I've never known a native speaker unable to find work.

Never.

But 90% who come knocking on my door I have no serious interest in employing.

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The fun part of the job for me is suggesting where else they are likely to find work.

Hehe.
Rafał D.

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And could you give us some examples? I'm just curious.
Thomas Jagiello

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I wonder if Jon had me down as one of the daft/strange teachers - I think our paths have crossed :)

Tend to agree with the posts here, at the risk of never teaching again in Poland, my lessons varied from the great to the good to the "can we cancel today". I found it a real shame for the Polish teachers who were/are paid less and could do a better job.

Likewise, a lot of natives don't really have a passion to teach, I came to Poland to learn Polish, the teaching just helped me pay the bills.

Although relative clauses were never my strong point I'd have to point out that some students really just want to "chat". Try and direct them into anything like learning and you'll probably end up with poor feedback. I did a lot of one-to-one work and I think it's just a case of common sense sometimes, identifying those who want to get controversial and those that want things "by the book".

I think I'm fairly correct in saying that one teacher who I worked with made it her mission to tell of her admiration for the ideals of communism. She left...

Anyway, best of luck with your quest in finding decent native speakers. (If there are any mistakes with punctuation, spelling or anything else...er...I'm really ill, it's the hot weather).

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That is an awesome last name for a native speaker haha... any relations?
Thomas Jagiello

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The Wawel is mine - I just haven't proved it yet.

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Anyway, very nice to meet you, Thomas.

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