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Magdalena Natalia Wiśniowska:
warren whitmore:
Magda, I notice you are not a member of Aardvark English.

Threads such as these will give you fresh insight into the brave new world we are creating for ourselves:

http://www.goldenline.pl/forum/aardvark-english/408748

thanks, warren.

you made my day :-D

And this one:

"Does life exist outside GL?"

http://www.goldenline.pl/forum/aardvark-english/399662
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I don't really believe we are much different online than IRL.

...however...

communicating with others on the Internet gives us some sort of comfort to show, say, convey more than we would in case of a direct contact.

We are who we are, though, and I'd say whoever creates an alter ego for themselves, that are really different than they are, have some serious personal problems, if not skeletons in their closets.

Unless it's all for fun only, but I don't think it's the case of people on GL.Jarek A. edytował(a) ten post dnia 19.10.08 o godzinie 22:06
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Benjamin Horler:
Tatiana You have a way with words. you could sell sand to the Arabs and snow to the Eskimos:) I tried to read between the lines of what you wrote!Benjamin Horler edytował(a) ten post dnia 19.10.08 o godzinie 21:11
Thank you.
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Temat: How different are people online and in real life:

Jarek A.:
We are who are, though, and I'd say whoever creates an alter ego for themselves, that are really different than they are, have some serious personal problems, if not skeletons in their closets.

Unless it's all for fun only, but I don't think it's the case of people on GL.

We are all to a certain extent actors, and all the world's a stage.

A great many of us, including myself, have alter-egos.

Often a person's fantasy vision of themselves can take over the real person.

I'd say many people's personality problems, both online and IRL, come about through lack of self-understanding.

Personally, I wouldn't judge this to be the case as far as I'm concerned; I know perfectly well what I ought to do (e.g. spend less time online) I just lack the willpower and discipline to do it.
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Jon M.

Jon M. Technical/Offshore
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Online, people are having a lazy moment at work, fighting insomnia (like me right now) or sitting at their kitchen table waiting for something to boil. A different persona than in a social situation.

I've never met anyone from Anglosphere in real life, but I know a few people who post on other message boards in GL, and I can think of one or two who have a definite online persona and others for whom what you see is what you get. Just depends on the person.
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Marek M.

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Temat: How different are people online and in real life:

I think in most cases we are not much different online then IRL. Sometimes our online image just reflects our complex personality. Although it’s much easier to express yourself anonymously (or almost anonymously), especially in front of a strangers. In RL this kind of comfort of expression you only have in front of your friends, family, people that know you very well. So in both cases online and IRL you don’t always act in the same way, you have problems, good and bad days, women have mood swings (no offence ladies) etc ....

BTW: Jon I'm quite sure that I've met during few English lessons in Hogart. You came as a sub for Rob, I guess. Hie hie!

Cheers
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Jon M.

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Marek S.:
BTW: Jon I'm quite sure that I've met during few English lessons in Hogart. You came as a sub for Rob, I guess. Hie hie!

Cheers

Oh Jesus. A few years ago I worked for a language school (which I ended up owning, but that's another story). There was a Rob there, I covered one or two classes when he was away. But that must be 5 years ago at least.

I've been going to Hogart (and it's downstairs neighbour) on and off for 8 years and never liked the place at all. I was sent there 8 years ago by yet another language school (which I didn't end up owning) to replace a teacher who was repeatedly reduced to tears by a toxic individual called xxx (hastily deleted because I just found he's on GL). Subsequently, for another school (the one I ended up owning) I did a class there and for the one and only time in my EFL career refused to teach a particular person (surname Zbr*jnsk*).

Hated the place, and the people who work there always seemed stressed to the point of breakdown, with the highest staff turnover I've ever seen. Always very good coffee though. How did you stand it?Jon M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 20.10.08 o godzinie 23:58
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Marek M.

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It was hard hie hie, but I had a few really good work mates, now they are my friends. I don't work in Hogart any more. From this English classes I also remember Margaret (I'm not sure her name), she had been teaching in Hungary for a long time, then she came to Warsaw and after few months she was offered a job in London.

I also remember Rob quite well, maybe because I see him quite often in below-bar, he's a Arsenal fan.
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Jon M.

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Marek S.:
I also remember Rob quite well, maybe because I see him quite often in below-bar, he's a Arsenal fan.

You had me freaked out for a moment! Because there's a Rob (Robert) and a Rob (Robin), the latter an Arsenal fan who goes to Bar Below and did Hogart for a bit, and the former long gone from PL, vaguely Scottish and not an Arsenal fan, though he was going to Hogart for years.

In which case it's much less than 5 years ago. I see Rob often and he's a good guy. I vaguely remember covering one of his classes there - the people seemed OK, but more than that I don't remember - must have been stoned at the time.Jon M. edytował(a) ten post dnia 21.10.08 o godzinie 02:00
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Temat: How different are people online and in real life:

I've been going to Hogart (and it's downstairs neighbour) on and off for 8 years and never liked the place at all. I was sent there 8 years ago by yet another language school (which I didn't end up owning) to replace a teacher who was repeatedly reduced to tears by a toxic individual called xxx (hastily deleted because I just found he's on GL). Subsequently, for another school (the one I ended up owning) I did a class there and for the one and only time in my EFL career refused to teach a particular person (surname Zbr*jnsk*).

Jesus! What did these students do???
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Marek M.

Marek M. Life

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Most of them had classes just after work so maybe sometimes they were a little bit stressed or annoyed. :)

[Edit]
Maybe morning groups caused less trouble … but seriously I guess some of them were not really interested in learning English or they expected miracles without hard work.

Upsss, It's little bit off topic.Marek S. edytował(a) ten post dnia 21.10.08 o godzinie 11:10
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Maciej J.

Maciej J. Konsultant

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Obrazek


Back to the topic at hand ;) I know this sketch refers to UT, but I think the general theory applies to all types of online forms of interaction where people have the ability to stay annonymous (unlike in GL) ;))
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Lidia K.

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warren whitmore:
Lidia K.:
I've learnt that what's written on the internet receives a totally different tone once you meet the person

Good topic for a thread.
Thanks Warren for branching it out.

Maybe GL is different to other anonymous forums. Haven't noticed.

For me the key word here is the 'tone' - what's written receives the tone in the reader's brain, and it's often quite different from that intended one of the speaker.
So things like irony don't carry well.

Pretending to be someone you're not when online is a different thing though.
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Maciej J.

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Pretending to be someone you're not when online is a different thing though.


To tell you the truth, I haven’t come across this phenomenon too often. When you’re anonymous, you don’t have to pretend your someone, people see you, for what you say and that’s it. I don’t have to pretend I’m someone to make a point in a discussion :P While in public forums such as GL, where you actually identify your- self – what’s the point? Who cares? Why would you want to pretend your some one else? I mean, you can try to be more anonymous – sure.

Some people find these sort of forums controversial, I mean, here you are, I know your names, where you work, what you do for a living, I can tell by the picture how old you are (more or less :P). Judging from you posts, I can tell even more if I wanted too :P Some people feel uncomfortable with that – so they attempt to be more anonymous, but pretending to be some one else?? I dunno, that’s just plain old weird and freaky to me :P
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Lidia K.

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Maciej, can you explain your equation in plain words?

Is the 'normal person' you or the 'fuckawit' is more you? (the general 'you')
I've always thought it's not what people are really like, when they act like fuckawits, but some kind of play/pretending/acting. But I'm said to be naive/serious.

I just cannot believe this is a real somebody...Lidia K. edytował(a) ten post dnia 21.10.08 o godzinie 16:14
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Maciej J.

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You haven't been to X-Box Live (the drums rolling for the punch line ha!)

No, but on a serious note ;) It is sort of like pretending, but not.

Okay, I’ll try to be as plain and straightforward as possible.
So this guy here is you average Joe. Joe has a job (it may be shitty, who knows), he has friends (and they like him) and in general his an O.K. chap. Joe loves to play games online and visits game forums often. During this time he interacts with people, who only know him by his call sign (Jay), and his utterly anonymous to them.

When given the chance to express an opinion, Joe likes to be honest – cause come on, how often can you be totally honest with some one and not give a rats ass how others may feel about it! So he is, and his a total ass hole about it ;) Because he CAN, because some one will read it

When Joe plays online, he acts like a tart as well, because all the others around him act like total twats themselves ;) And trust me – for Joe, there is no sweeter feeling then to finally rub that victory over his opponents with the most creative slurs (hoping it will break the guy in to tears). All because his anonymous, he can and there is someone on the flip side of that screen that it will get to – and what will they ever do about it?

Its hard to say what processes take place to turn Joe into a total fuckwad, but its out there, I brush up against it everyday, its normal, people acting like they’re total assholes – for no other reason then a difference in opinion or being better at something.

Perhaps its to show off, maybe it’s a defensive mechanism or just maybe - it’s a way to let go of all the regulations in everyday life and a chance to be a total dickwad to others.

Its not me. Sure, I tend to be a bit more harsh when dealing with these people, but rather then engage with them, I ignore them. I have more respect for others online (offline to;), in the end these are still people you talk too.Maciej Jene edytował(a) ten post dnia 21.10.08 o godzinie 16:53
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Maciej J.

Maciej J. Konsultant

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As a matter of fact this whole 'community' of bashing gamers and forum trolls is so utterly bizzare someone should do a study on it :P
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Temat: How different are people online and in real life:

Maciej Jene:

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To my experience, one doesn't even need an audience to be "The Master of The Universe" type of person.

Back in the days when 'online presence' meant having an ICQ number, there were a lot of MaStER_CoNNecTORs and ASP_LoRDs or AnGeL-3Ds etc. When you meet them in real life, you used to get a rather less impressive person in front of you.

But here, in GoldenLine, if we put our names and photos, information about our work, hobbies etc, you just can't go too wrong. Unless person creates a second character successfully. But that would be either sick, or fun. :) hehe
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Maciej J.

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exactly Ilter ;)
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Lidia K.

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Temat: How different are people online and in real life:

Maciej Jene:
Its hard to say what processes take place to turn Joe into a total fuckwad, but its out there, I brush up against it everyday, its normal, people acting like they’re total assholes – for no other reason then a difference in opinion or being better at something.

Perhaps its to show off, maybe it’s a defensive mechanism or just maybe - it’s a way to let go of all the regulations in everyday life and a chance to be a total dickwad to others.

Maciej, thank you for taking the time to write all of this.
You've described something I realize, though I don't read any game forums.
I don't understand what's so effing great about abusing others via the internet and not being held responsible for any word you say.
It's absolutely immature and irresponsible for me.
I cannot find any sufficient explanation (in the sense of justification) for it.

:)

Its not me. Sure, I tend to be a bit more harsh when dealing with these people, but rather then engage with them, I ignore them. I have more respect for others online (offline to;), in the end these are still people you talk too.
yeah, it's them, I'm different, huh?
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