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Did I spell that right?

I don't believe in it. Do you?

Today we have the news of a little girl, aged 5 missing since last week. She was found not far from here at the river, encased in cement.

Michigan doesn't have the death penalty, but they will argue for it now. I always thought that if one innocent person (DNA) was put to death it was one too many.
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Joj Y.:
I don't believe in it. Do you?
Me neither.

But don't ask me what to do if I was the girl's father. Probably noone would recognize me.
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I agree, Ilter. It is easy to discuss the pros and cons of the death penalty without being directly or even indirectly involved in a particular case.

My current state of mind makes me say: rid the world of the sickos, though.
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But the guy encased her her in cement :(((

Poor little girl.Joj Y. edytował(a) ten post dnia 05.06.09 o godzinie 18:50
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Joj Y.:
But the guy encased her her in cement :(((

Poor little girl.
That's what I'm saying Joj. An eye for an eye. I can even pay their light bill.
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Jarek A.:

My current state of mind makes me say: rid the world of the sickos, though.

same here. sometimes i just can't believe what ppl are capable of.. gosh.. :-(
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I have always supported capital punishment (why else would I ever have moved to Texas, eh?) even though my dad used to work for the "CSI" (lol) and has told me about numerous cases of people wrongly accused of both minor and major crimes, some of them sentenced to death.
I don't understand why we put a murderer in prison and let the victim's family pay their taxes to support them. You may now throw all sorts of arguments at me, and have me nod in agreement, but I will never change my mind.
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I belive in Capital Punishement. I don't even consider it as a penalty, but just as a measure of protecting the society. Dead man commits no more crimes - it has been scientifically proven. I'm not vindictive i'm only reasonable.

edit: typos correctedPaweł Gąsior edytował(a) ten post dnia 05.06.09 o godzinie 22:13
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I agree with Tatiana and Pawel - there's something inherently wrong in the system which requires financially supporting someone who took someone else's life as if it belonget to them. I can't deny logic in Pawel's rationale either.

There's one problem, though. Suppose there was a referendum or something and it turned out in favour of the CP. Suppose my vote was for it. Could I bear the thought of my signature being instrumental in deciding about someone else's life? Atm, such a thought scares me - I don't think I'd have the courage. And if I did, I wouldn't wanna know who, when and what for was killed, bastard or not.

But then, as Ilter and Jarek pointed out, theories aren't worth much when you're not involved. "We know ourselves only in so far as we have been tested."Sylwia Łubkowska edytował(a) ten post dnia 06.06.09 o godzinie 00:21
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Sylwia Łubkowska:
There's one problem, though. Suppose there was a referendum or
something and it turned out in favour of the CP. Suppose my >vote was for it. Could I bear the thought of my signature being instrumental in deciding about someone else's life? Atm, such a
thought scares me - I don't think I'd have the courage.

Well, in my opinion that's the reason y such a problem should be solved not by a referendum but by voting in the Parlament. Those Parlament guys should bear the responsibility... cuz they'r paid 4 it and if they don't wanna bear it - they shouldn't be there. They should compare the "moral costs" of their decisions and in this case - imho, vote for the CP.

@Sylwia - ur opinion makes it clear why a xecutioner is a job for a man not a woman ;) A man thinks about the CP simply as about killing a mad beast who is a threat 4 his family.
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Paweł Gąsior:
I belive in Capital Punishement. I don't even consider it as a penalty, but just as a measure of protecting the society. Dead man commits no more crimes - it has been scientifically proven. I'm not vindictive i'm only reasonable.

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I guess you're reasonable. You're right as anyone else.Joj Y. edytował(a) ten post dnia 06.06.09 o godzinie 06:43
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I think revenge is very well tied to a plesure principle in our brains. I don't know how to say it.

Edit: pleasure...Sorry. I'm still learning how to spellJoj Y. edytował(a) ten post dnia 06.06.09 o godzinie 15:16
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Sylwia Łubkowska:
I agree with Tatiana and Pawel - there's something inherently wrong in the system which requires financially supporting someone who took someone else's life as if it belonget to them.

I know and don't understand this either. Get the guy, prove him 100% wrong based on DNA and inject some salt into him. Yeah, I know, thy shall not kill yada yada yada but like someone said before, if they got your kid you wouldn't be pondering the principles but rather reloading your .45. Well, I would be.
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Paweł Gąsior:

Well, in my opinion that's the reason y such a problem should be solved not by a referendum but by voting in the Parlament. Those Parlament guys should bear the responsibility... cuz they'r paid 4 it and if they don't wanna bear it - they shouldn't be there. They should compare the "moral costs" of their decisions and in this case - imho, vote for the CP.

Hmm... yes and no. If someone feels strongly about it, they might actually want to have a say directly. Plus, as in all cases where conscience is involved, the public might think they're utterly misrepresented by the Parliament. Conscience is a tricky thing and one can't take it for granted that a right wing politician would want to vote for CP. And the other way round. So why should people leave it up to the conscience of the chosen few?

@Sylwia - ur opinion makes it clear why a xecutioner is a job for a man not a woman ;) A man thinks about the CP simply as about killing a mad beast who is a threat 4 his family.

Spot on. If it was up to me, I'd put them into an induced coma or something (the only drawback being the cost of this) or even devise a Matrix-like farm, anything but killing them.

And I do realise it's verging on hypocrisy, because I really wouldn't mind it if they died by some twist of fate, I wouldn'[t be sorry for them if they committed suicide in jail (like these guys who murdered Krzysztof Olewnik). I can't help it, I find the thought of contributing to someone's death rather disturbing.

If they got my kid, I'd probably sing to a different tune. But for now it's too abstract an idea for me to relate to it.
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If I was the girl's mom I would find the bastard and do the capital punishment on my own. Would be worth spending some time in jail.
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What if you were sentenced to death as well?
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I would never kill anybody deliberately or centence them to death either.
I don't believe violence should be used for fighting the violence. That's a vicious circle which leads us to nowhere.

After those all years of my life of observation I'm inclined to say love and forgiveness is the only way of life, the only right way, we all should follow.

Has ever had the revenge any positive effect except trigerring further crime and violence? We should be proactive rather in preventing crime than escalating panishment, which is strictly reactive action not giving the expected results.
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Marek K.:
After those all years of my life of observation I'm inclined
to say love and forgiveness is the only way of life, the only
right way, we all should follow.

Well, I agree, but unfortunately psychos, murderers and thieves seem not to share this opinion at least when refered to their own way of life. Even worse - these values seem to be often completely incomprehensible 2 them.

As i wrote a few posts above - considering a death sentence as a vengance is wrong, cuz in my opinion vengance is humilitating for both sides. But when u kill a wasp which is about 2 sting ur kid - is it a revenge? Is it an act of hate or violence or is it a simple solution provided by logical thinking?

In my opinion the situation with a psyhopaths looks the same - i'm rather indifferent about them or even feel compassion 2wards their sick and unhappy minds, but cannot find any other solution 2 protect a society against them. I prefer to have 1 psyhopath dead than a bunch of kids tortured and killed by him/her.

@Marek, what do u consider as 'love and forgivness' towards psychopaths? Letting them live in a prison/sanitarium and awaiting for an opportunity to escape and carry on their crimes? It's nohing but tormenting them and moreover endangering ppl in case if they escaped.

If there were a way of a trustworthy treatment which would be able to 'convert' a psycho into a valuable member of society, i would support it even if it were expensive, but there's no such a treatment. Then sadly - CP is in my opinion the only reasonable way.

edit: typos as usualPaweł Gąsior edytował(a) ten post dnia 08.06.09 o godzinie 09:39
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Marek K.:
I would never kill anybody deliberately or centence them to death either.
I don't believe violence should be used for fighting the violence. That's a vicious circle which leads us to nowhere.

After those all years of my life of observation I'm inclined to say love and forgiveness is the only way of life, the only right way, we all should follow.

Has ever had the revenge any positive effect except trigerring further crime and violence? We should be proactive rather in preventing crime than escalating panishment, which is strictly reactive action not giving the expected results.
Spot on, Marek. And fortunately the politicians are on our side.
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Speaking from my own experience, the vitriol is fleeting, before the longer-lasting feeling of loss returns. Filling somebody's veins with salt, or petrol, or whatever, isn't the same as ctrl-alt-delete.
The girl is still in concrete -or rather, as the parents probably see it, the girl is still not home. They say that the opposite of love is indifference. I, for one, would not care whether the person responsible lived or died, walked free, or never walked again. We've all got to live -and eventionally die- with our own thoughts on what we've done or haven't done. That's often enough.
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