Damian W.

Damian W. QA Engineer

Temat: Dziś rocznica objawień w Fatimie

http://www.parafianiebieszczany.pl/index.php?option=co...Damian Wittchen edytował(a) ten post dnia 13.05.11 o godzinie 15:25
Patryk K.

Patryk K. extraordinary blend
of suavity and
savagery

Temat: Dziś rocznica objawień w Fatimie

2012? Matka Boska Fatimska tez zna kalendarz Majow?
Damian W.

Damian W. QA Engineer

Temat: Dziś rocznica objawień w Fatimie

Patryk K.:
2012? Matka Boska Fatimska tez zna kalendarz Majow?
Módl się lepiej do niej a może otrzymasz odpowiedz.
Patryk K.

Patryk K. extraordinary blend
of suavity and
savagery

Temat: Dziś rocznica objawień w Fatimie

Nie lepiej do tej z Garabandal? Albo Mediugorje?
Magdalena Szymecka

Magdalena Szymecka architekt wnętrz

Temat: Dziś rocznica objawień w Fatimie

ciekawe zjawisko, które miało miejsce wczoraj w Fatimie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQhpI43mjKg&feature=rel...
znak, czy zbieg okoliczności ? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNXXNf-8zLI&feature=pla...Magdalena Szymecka edytował(a) ten post dnia 14.05.11 o godzinie 13:04
Patryk K.

Patryk K. extraordinary blend
of suavity and
savagery

Temat: Dziś rocznica objawień w Fatimie

Charakter "objawień Fatimskich" staje się mniej nadnaturalny, jeśli przyjrzeć się osobowości oraz predyspozycjom głównej "wizjonerki" - Łucji Santos. Wrzucam fragment książki Joe Nickell'a - "Looking for a Miracle: Weeping Icons, Relics, Stigmata, Visions & Healing Cures":

Those who believe in the Fatima “miracle” also cite certain predictions the apparition allegedly made to Lucia, one being that Jacinta and Francisco would soon die. Both did soon succumb to influenza: Francisco in 1919 and Jacinta the following year. However, Zimdars-Swartz observes, “much of what devotees today accept as the content of the apparition comes from four memoirs written by Lucia in the convent [where she later resided] between 1935 and 1941, many years after the series of experiences that constitute the apparition event” (Zimdars-Swartz 1991, 68). Indeed, Lucia recorded her first “prediction” of the children’s deaths in 1927—several years after the fact!

As to the other predictions, they were supposedly part of three secrets that had been delivered to Lucia by the apparition on July 13, 1917 (Gruner 1997, 290—291). Lucia’s Third Memoir gave the first secret as a vision of hell. The second was a statement that World War I would end, “but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the pontificate of Pius XI” (who was pope from 1922 to 1939). However, since the Third Memoir was penned in August 1941, the so-called predictions were actually written after the fact (Zimdars-Swartz 1991, 198—199).

Before considering the important third secret of Fatima, and to fully comprehend the entire Fatima experience, we must look more closely at its central figure—not the Virgin Mary but Lucia de Jesus Santos. Born on March 22, 1907, to Antonio and Maria Rosa Santos, Lucia was the youngest of seven children. Five years younger than her next-oldest sibling, Lucia was a petted and spoiled child. Her sisters fostered in her a desire to be the center of attention by teaching her to dance and sing. At festivals, Lucia would stand on a crate to entertain an adoring crowd. Among her other talents was a gift for telling stories—fairy tales, biblical narratives, and saints’ legends—which made her popular with village children, as well as an ability to persuade others to do her bidding.

Two years before the famous series of apparitions occurred at Fatima, eight-year-old Lucia and three girlfriends claimed to have seen apparitions of a snow-white figure on three occasions. Lucia’s mother called the experiences “childish nonsense.” The following year, Lucia, Francisco, and Jacinta were thrice visited by an “angel.”

Lucia’s background is revealing. The seeds of her later visionary encounters were clearly contained in her childhood experiences and in her obviously fantasy-prone personality. Her charismatic ability to influence others drew little Francisco and Jacinta into the Fatima fantasy. As Zimdars-Swartz says of Lucia:

It is clear that she played the leading role in the scenario of the apparition itself. All accounts agree that she was the only one of the three seers to interact with both her vision and with the crowd, carrying on conversations with both while her two cousins stood by silently. She has said, moreover, and probably not incorrectly, that Francisco and Jacinta had been accustomed to follow her directives before the apparition began, that they turned to her for guidance afterwards, and that it was she who convinced them that they had to be very careful in their experiences. (Zimdars-Swartz 1991, 68)

Further evidence that Lucia orchestrated the fantasy and manipulated the other children is provided by certain incidents. For example, when Jacinta first told the story, she stated that the Virgin had said many things that she was unable to recall but “which Lucia knows.” Lucia’s own mother was convinced that her precocious daughter was, in her words, “nothing but a fake who is leading half the world astray” (qtd. in Zimdars-Swartz 1991, 71, 86)
Patryk K. edytował(a) ten post dnia 14.05.11 o godzinie 14:58

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Magdalena Szymecka:
znak, czy zbieg okoliczności ? ;)
Zjawisko nazywa się Halo :)
Magdalena Szymecka

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Temat: Dziś rocznica objawień w Fatimie

Zjawisko nazywa się Halo :)
:)Magdalena Szymecka edytował(a) ten post dnia 22.05.11 o godzinie 22:23

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Adrian Banaś:
Magdalena Szymecka:
znak, czy zbieg okoliczności ? ;)
Zjawisko nazywa się Halo :)

i nie jest niczym niezwykłym :)
Patryk K.

Patryk K. extraordinary blend
of suavity and
savagery

Temat: Dziś rocznica objawień w Fatimie

Michał Paszke:
Adrian Banaś:
Magdalena Szymecka:
i nie jest niczym niezwykłym :)
wielkie halo ...



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